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Chapter 2 - The Lunar Way - "23 – Did they achieve Liberation"
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23 – Did they achieve Liberation
Chapter 2 - The Lunar Way - "23 – Did they achieve Liberation"
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23 – Did they achieve Liberation

by Kalin Kadiev on December 28, 2014
Chapter: Chapter 2 - The Lunar Way
Characters: Beat-Pot Aelwrin, Jar-eel the Razoress

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Discussion (12) ¬

  1. Runeblogger
    December 28, 2014, 11:42 am | # | Login to Reply

    Wait, four rebel gods against the Sun Emperor? The Red Moon against him too? Who is that bat goddess and the other one?

  2. Jörg Baumgartner
    December 28, 2014, 2:29 pm | # | Login to Reply

    The red sword usually is a signature of Tolat, who lives in an other incarnation as Shargash, the unruly son of Yelm. The entire gang there are celestial deities (even Orlanth), and they all contribute.

    Artia the Bat, Verithurus and Tolat are underworld deities as well as celestial ones. Check the copper plates in the guide, in particular plates 6 and 7 on pages 114 and 115 and identify the fallen sons as Gods Wall 7 – 10, among them Verithurus. Orlanth’s underworld venture is well known, too.

    I don’t think that the rebel gods are limited to four, though. These four are ones relevant to Peloria, but if you look for other culprits, you will easily find them – like “where is Eurmal in this?”

    • Kalin Kadiev
      December 28, 2014, 2:41 pm | # | Login to Reply

      Jörg is correct – All we see here is what Jar-Eel wants Beat-Pot to see. If, say, an Esrolian was to somehow see all of this, he or she would see other gods and other symbols. Just as Argrath’s initiation showed one version of the Other World, this shows us another one.

  3. Jörg Baumgartner
    December 28, 2014, 2:31 pm | # | Login to Reply

    BTW, the Orlanthi answer to the latter question is a clear and simple “yes”.

    • Warren Watts
      January 18, 2015, 5:26 pm | # | Login to Reply

      Wouldn’t the Orlanthi consider liberation to come from the Lightbringer’s quest and the great compromise? The killing of Yelm, which may have seemed like liberation, resulted in constant change mirroring the constant stasis of Yelm’s rule, resulting in the greater darkness and the rise of Chaos. The Lightbringer’s quest is how Orlanth learned that true freedom comes from the acceptance that everything has it’s place within the great compromise.

  4. Bruce Turner
    December 28, 2014, 3:18 pm | # | Login to Reply

    And of course everything Jar-eel says is deeply threatening to the Great Compromise, nicely capturing one of the core reasons the Orlanthi hate the Lunars so very much.

  5. Chris Bell
    December 28, 2014, 9:28 pm | # | Login to Reply

    An Orlanthi would answer, “It is Yelm who broke the law, by enslaving the cosmos. Orlanth fulfilled the law by freeing it.” Deep down, Beat Pot was always a Lunar and lost before he ever met Jar Eel.

  6. Chris Bell
    December 28, 2014, 9:31 pm | # | Login to Reply

    What is interesting is the Lunar rejection of devolution, which Draconic mysticism promotes as moral necessity. Yelm wanted to become undifferentiated Everything, which is the ultimate goal of all Chaos. Orlanth saved the world by stopping this. Yelmic Authority seeks to destroy identity and return all to the All, which the I Fought We Won challenges.

    • Ian Mcdonald
      December 29, 2014, 7:53 pm | # | Login to Reply

      Isn’t the Red Moon an obvious copy, or parody, of the Sun-disk? Sedenya seeks to oversee the whole world, each Reaching Moon temple raising her higher in the Air towards the Sky-Dome. She seeks the enslavement of all, and devolution would not serve her purposes at all.

  7. Scott
    January 1, 2015, 5:28 pm | # | Login to Reply

    I just realized we don’t really know what happens to him after his time as a counter in the game. Maybe we can imagine him happy and free.

    • Bruce Turner
      January 1, 2015, 6:07 pm | # | Login to Reply

      He’s described as devoted to Jar-eel, and is the high priest of her cult. I rather imagine that his world is somewhat shattered after she is killed by Harreck.

      • Harald
        January 2, 2015, 5:16 pm | # | Login to Reply

        Several possibilities. He could serve as her eyes or support in the world as she returns from Death, or serve as her arm against other foes while she is engaged in her journeys in the Otherworld, or he could lead the quests by the Moonswords to find her parts and bring her back, or something else altogether.

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